There’s a great deal to appreciate here—especially the insistence that real change must involve both imagination and desire, not just data or doctrine. The dialogue makes a powerful case for the role of story, especially when it's embodied, face-to-face.
That said, I wonder whether we're in danger of over-relying on narrative as the master key. Not all distortions are story-shaped; sometimes it's the lack of concrete practice, material constraints, or institutional integrity that derails change. Story is essential—but it can also become another layer of performance unless rooted in something more than itself.
Happy this was released. I have a post that touches on this panel coming out in Cracks in PoMo next week.
There’s a great deal to appreciate here—especially the insistence that real change must involve both imagination and desire, not just data or doctrine. The dialogue makes a powerful case for the role of story, especially when it's embodied, face-to-face.
That said, I wonder whether we're in danger of over-relying on narrative as the master key. Not all distortions are story-shaped; sometimes it's the lack of concrete practice, material constraints, or institutional integrity that derails change. Story is essential—but it can also become another layer of performance unless rooted in something more than itself.